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heading into the all star break - snarg - 10-26-2009

stats as good or better, by a lot, than rollins and not in

trammell
fregosi
concepcion
dark
tony fernandez
and many others, these are just the names you might recognize since you are such a baseball maven

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heading into the all star break - WoolyGoat - 10-26-2009

did he compare rollins to honus wagner, ernie banks, and cal ripken?

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heading into the all star break - BIRD33 - 10-26-2009

snarg Wrote:stats as good or better, by a lot, than rollins and not in

trammell
fregosi
concepcion
dark
tony fernandez
and many others, these are just the names you might recognize since you are such a baseball maven

Any of those guys win a MVP award?Bringing up Fergosi show's your reaching.Rollins has better stats in 8 or 9 less seasons.Face it you are fucking wrong.


Jim Fergosi
AVG .265
OBP .338
SLG .398
h 1726
hr 151
rbi 706
r 844
sb 76

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heading into the all star break - BIRD33 - 10-26-2009

WoolyGoat Wrote:did he compare rollins to honus wagner, ernie banks, and cal ripken?

Was the argument is Rollins better then those three or taking into account all the shortstops that are in the hall is Rollins worthy?You too are reaching by trying to misdirect what we are talking about.It must suck when something you were so adamant about dissolves right in front of your eyes.

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heading into the all star break - WoolyGoat - 10-26-2009

dude, he isn't a lock. that is a fact.

if he retires after the phils go back to back, he's not getting in. that means he's got more to do to earn his enshrinement.


dude is 31 and NEEDS at least 4 or 5 great seasons to have a shot at the hall. that's far from being a lock.

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heading into the all star break - BIRD33 - 10-26-2009

The argument is starting to turn a bit by you.Before it was he is not making it.NOW its he needs 4 or 5 more good seasons.Like he's on the downside of his career right now?He's already got comparable #'s to other SS in the HOF.He's a fucking lock.

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heading into the all star break - WoolyGoat - 10-26-2009

i make the same argument with you every time, even with the phillies.

i never said they wouldn't win the pennant, i just said they weren't a lock because during the season other teams proved themselves to be relatively even.

if i had to bet on whether or not rollins would make the hall, i'd say no, but i also think there is a very real possibility that he can finish his career strongly enough to have a chance. regardless of whether he ultimately makes it or not, as of october 2009, he is NOT a lock, plain and simple.

pedro is a lock, and a phil, so be happy about that and move on.

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heading into the all star break - snarg - 10-26-2009

[quote=BIRD33]Any of those guys win a MVP award?Bringing up Fergosi show's your reaching.Rollins has better stats in 8 or 9 less seasons.Face it you are fucking wrong.



fuck you idiot
how bout trammell??
rollin will never reach that level
never

rollins will be lucky to get 25% of the ballots
he will never reach 50%

he's a nice above average player, not a hall of famer
there are guys with 7 300 seasons not in
there are guys with four or five gold gloves not in
sorry, homer, go cry somewhere else

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heading into the all star break - WoolyGoat - 10-26-2009

written two years ago:



http://motownsportsrevival.blogspot.com/2007/08/mlb-hall-of-fame-projections-shortstop.html


Not Likely

Jimmy Rollins

Jimmy Rollins has almost no chance. I’m leaving room for an unforeseeable power-surge in the latter half of his career. He is only 28 and has had 628 or more at-bats since he was 22 years old. If there’s one thing for certain, it’s that Rollins gets a ton of at-bats every year. His numbers are less impressive than Young’s across the board and he has zero 200+ hit-seasons. Rollins could end up with 3,000 hits which would make things very interesting. He would almost certainly reach that mark if he plays until he’s 40 which isn’t asking much in this day and age. The talk of Young and Rollins possibly reaching 3,000 hits prompted me to look into active players who have the best chance of reaching 3,000 hits without being elected to the Hall of Fame. I’m pretty sure it’s going to happen some day relatively soon. I'll have a post on that either this week or next.

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heading into the all star break - BIRD33 - 10-26-2009

snarg Wrote:[quote=BIRD33]Any of those guys win a MVP award?Bringing up Fergosi show's your reaching.Rollins has better stats in 8 or 9 less seasons.Face it you are fucking wrong.



fuck you idiot
how bout trammell??
rollin will never reach that level
never

rollins will be lucky to get 25% of the ballots
he will never reach 50%

he's a nice above average player, not a hall of famer
there are guys with 7 300 seasons not in
there are guys with four or five gold gloves not in
sorry, homer, go cry somewhere else

So abandoning the Fergosi argument are we?Good that was embarrassing for you.Trammel win any MVP's?Finished 2nd in '87 but no he did not.He's a career .285 batter who played 10 more seasons than Rollins at this point and their #'s arent that far out of wack.

Snarg he's getting in and its not going to shock any smart baseball minds.It seems goat can see it happening maybe but your positive he isnt?I love it.File this under every other stupid prediciton you've made based on your own warped memory and not the facts stating you right in the face.

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heading into the all star break - BIRD33 - 10-26-2009

WoolyGoat Wrote:written two years ago:



http://motownsportsrevival.blogspot.com/2007/08/mlb-hall-of-fame-projections-shortstop.html


Not Likely

Jimmy Rollins

Jimmy Rollins has almost no chance. I’m leaving room for an unforeseeable power-surge in the latter half of his career. He is only 28 and has had 628 or more at-bats since he was 22 years old. If there’s one thing for certain, it’s that Rollins gets a ton of at-bats every year. His numbers are less impressive than Young’s across the board and he has zero 200+ hit-seasons. Rollins could end up with 3,000 hits which would make things very interesting. He would almost certainly reach that mark if he plays until he’s 40 which isn’t asking much in this day and age. The talk of Young and Rollins possibly reaching 3,000 hits prompted me to look into active players who have the best chance of reaching 3,000 hits without being elected to the Hall of Fame. I’m pretty sure it’s going to happen some day relatively soon. I'll have a post on that either this week or next.

Please cite something that has more credence then a post here.Its a blog written by a nobody.

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heading into the all star break - WoolyGoat - 10-26-2009

he's not a likely HOFer according to his baseballreference page, either.


http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rolliji01.shtml

Hall Of Fame Statistics
Player rank in (·)

Black Ink Batting - 14 (167), Average HOFer ≈ 27
Gray Ink Batting - 67 (365), Average HOFer ≈ 144
Hall of Fame Monitor Batting - 70 (263), Likely HOFer ≈ 100
Hall of Fame Standards Batting - 23 (510), Average HOFer ≈ 50

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heading into the all star break - WoolyGoat - 10-26-2009

BIRD33 Wrote:Please cite something that has more credence then a post here.Its a blog written by a nobody.

no different than your opinion, then?

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heading into the all star break - BIRD33 - 10-26-2009

WoolyGoat Wrote:no different than your opinion, then?

Thats what I'm saying.So to sum up I've posted hard baseball stats to back up my point and you've countered with a sports blog devoted to the state of michigan.

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heading into the all star break - WoolyGoat - 10-26-2009

to sum it up, read my other post, which should end this argument.

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heading into the all star break - BIRD33 - 10-26-2009

Not really.He needs more seasons.I've never said you were wrong about that.He will play more seasons and he will get in.

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heading into the all star break - WoolyGoat - 10-26-2009

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heading into the all star break - WoolyGoat - 10-26-2009

I always thought John Valentin should be in the hall!

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heading into the all star break - BIRD33 - 10-26-2009

Is he the guy with the game winning walk off double in a come from behind victory in the NLCS?

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heading into the all star break - WoolyGoat - 10-26-2009

nah, he's one of two people in mlb history (rollins is not the other) to have turned an unassisted triple play AND hit for the cycle.

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