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Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - Anhil8tor - 08-03-2005

Aug. 2, 2005 - Memphis traded G Bonzi Wells to Sacramento for G Bobby Jackson and C Greg Ostertag, who was traded to Utah. Memphis traded G Jason Williams, F James Posey and G Andre Emmett to Miami for G Eddie Jones. The Heat acquired F Antoine Walker from Boston for F Qyntel Woods, the rights to F Albert Miralles, two second-round draft picks and cash, and the rights to C Roberto Duenas from New Orleans, which acquired F Rasual Butler from Miami and G Kirk Snyder from Utah. The Celtics acquired C Curtis Borchardt from the Jazz, which traded G Raul Lopez to Memphis.

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - Michman - 08-03-2005

Miami wins....Kings lose. they are gunna suck this year.

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - cLaY - 08-03-2005

J-Dub won't last in Miami. I can't believe they think he's starter material. They should have picked up GP.

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - WoolyGoat - 08-03-2005

Miami was a healthy DWade away from the NBA finals, why are they revamping their lineup so much?

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - Anhil8tor - 08-03-2005

from mark stein at ESPN:

Again we ask: Was an overhaul really necessary?

If the objective was to deflect attention from the recent (loud) rumblings in NBA coaching circles that Riley was planning to come downstairs and reclaim the hot seat from Van Gundy, this megatrade should help. There is plenty of fresh material to dissect in Miami with Walker and Williams on the way.

If the idea was making Miami a clear favorite over Detroit and Indiana in the improving East, pardon us for withholding our vote.

Posey's size and defense will be handy additions, especially with Jones leaving town after a solid season guarding bigger scorers than usual as a small forward. Maybe the most attractive aspect of this trade is the idea that Miami can bring two defensive specialists off the bench if it wishes: Posey and Alonzo Mourning.

Walker and Williams, though, will have to win us over as Heaters.

They're both entertainers whose flair and bravado are generally welcomed here at Stein Line HQ, but they have been imported to South Florida as role players.

Can they accept that? Walker, remember, struggled in Dallas as a third or fourth fiddle. It was his choice to go Miami, so he obviously knows what he's walking into for a pricey six years and $53 million, but 'Toine has plenty of his own skeptics to convince he can be happy as a down-the-list option. Especially if he's asked to be a sixth man, with Posey starting instead.

Williams, meanwhile, has a huge supporter in Shaq but a history that suggests he could struggle to adapt to the rigid culture Riley wants to filter down from his office. After some rollercoaster years in Sacramento surrendering fourth quarters to Bobby Jackson, Williams chafed under longtime Heat broadcaster Mike Fratello in Memphis. He also lacks the consistent perimeter stroke (as a career 31 percent shooter from 3-point range) that the Heat would seem to need most from Wade's backcourt partner. If Damon Jones doesn't return, and with Eddie Jones bound for Beale Street, who will stretch the defense for the two stars?

The Heat's season ended, you'll recall, with Shaq reportedly steamed about a lack of touches in Game 7 of the East finals against Detroit. Tuesday's moves undeniably give Miami more weapons to throw at the Pistons and Pacers, but a major challenge for the coach who has to divvy up all the touches.

The Big Everything continues to do things he'd never consider in his last Laker days. He slimmed down considerably before his first Heat season. He took a $10 million pay slice before his second Heat season. He'll undoubtedly say that Officer O'Neal will make it his personal responsibility to ensure that the city of Miami sees only the good J-Will.

Shaq, in essence, is giving the Heat as much as he can give at 33.

In return? Shaq's boss just might have given him too much help.

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - BIRD33 - 08-03-2005

I think Shaq will run the show and Walker and Williams will get in line. I think Williams is underrated. I think this is a good move, Eddie Jones is decent but to basically get Walker and J Williams for him is a steal.

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - cLaY - 08-03-2005

BIRD33 Wrote:I think Shaq will run the show and Walker and Williams will get in line. I think Williams is underrated. I think this is a good move, Eddie Jones is decent but to basically get Walker and J Williams for him is a steal.

who's gonna guard Rip in the Eastern Finals next year?

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - snarg - 08-03-2005

cLaY Wrote:J-Dub won't last in Miami. I can't believe they think he's starter material. They should have picked up GP.

wrong
see your mentor's post, he got it correct

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - BIRD33 - 08-03-2005

cLaY Wrote:who's gonna guard Rip in the Eastern Finals next year?

CBSSportsline

Posey is the only one of Miami's acquisitions who fits in naturally; when he comes off the bench, look for him to step into Jones' role. When healthy, Posey is the type of player every team covets, someone who can defend and create extra opportunities through hustle and hitting the boards. Best of all -- considering the team we're talking about -- Posey doesn't need the ball in his hands.

p.s. The Pistons arent going to the eastern conference finals this year.

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - cLaY - 08-03-2005

BIRD33 Wrote:CBSSportsline

Posey is the only one of Miami's acquisitions who fits in naturally; when he comes off the bench, look for him to step into Jones' role. When healthy, Posey is the type of player every team covets, someone who can defend and create extra opportunities through hustle and hitting the boards. Best of all -- considering the team we're talking about -- Posey doesn't need the ball in his hands.

p.s. The Pistons arent going to the eastern conference finals this year.

Lets here your pick genius...

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - Anhil8tor - 08-03-2005

I'll go on record and say the nets have a better shot than the pistons at going to the finals.

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - cLaY - 08-03-2005

Anhil8tor Wrote:I'll go on record and say the nets have a better shot than the pistons at going to the finals.

Are you fucking serious? They couldn't beat the better Pistons team with K-Mart...Abdur Rahim isn't shit compared to Kenyon Martin.

1. Heat - in the Finals
2. Pistons
3. Pacers
4. Cavs
5. Nets
6. Bulls
7. Boston
8. Sixers

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - BIRD33 - 08-04-2005

cLaY Wrote:Are you fucking serious? They couldn't beat the better Pistons team with K-Mart...Abdur Rahim isn't shit compared to Kenyon Martin.

1. Heat - in the Finals
2. Pistons
3. Pacers
4. Cavs
5. Nets
6. Bulls
7. Boston
8. Sixers

1. Heat
2. Pacers
3. Pistons
4. Nets
5. Sixers
6. Cavs
7. Bulls
8. Boston

Heat Vs. Pacers in the Eastern Conference Finals.

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - cLaY - 08-04-2005

Heat vs Pistons in the East Finals, Shaq gets back and wins another ring next year...Flip needs a year to settle into things.

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - BIRD33 - 08-04-2005

cLaY Wrote:Heat vs Pistons in the East Finals, Shaq gets back and wins another ring next year...Flip needs a year to settle into things.

I dont think flip has what it takes.

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - BIRD33 - 08-04-2005

Pacers are going to be hungry.

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - cLaY - 08-04-2005

and the Pistons aren't? they're going to prove Brown wasn't the deciding factor.

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - BIRD33 - 08-04-2005

cLaY Wrote:and the Pistons aren't? they're going to prove Brown wasn't the deciding factor.

Why? Most players cant imagine winning a ring so once they get it their minds switch to pay day mode because they will never get the oppurtunity to be in that good a bargaining position again.So get ready to see players not "playing the right way" in order to get a better deal when their next contract comes up.Rasheed liked larry brown and doesnt like Detroit so he'll be looking to get out soon.Brown was the deciding factor genius.

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - cLaY - 08-04-2005

BIRD33 Wrote:Why? Most players cant imagine winning a ring so once they get it their minds switch to pay day mode because they will never get the oppurtunity to be in that good a bargaining position again.So get ready to see players not "playing the right way" in order to get a better deal when their next contract comes up.Rasheed liked larry brown and doesnt like Detroit so he'll be looking to get out soon.Brown was the deciding factor genius.

True, Sheed' liked LB, but where in the fuck has he EVER said he doesn't like Detroit? He wouldn't have signed a six year deal to stay there if he didn't like Detroit...

Big NBA trade.. who wins, who loses? - BIRD33 - 08-04-2005

cLaY Wrote:True, Sheed' liked LB, but where in the fuck has he EVER said he doesn't like Detroit? He wouldn't have signed a six year deal to stay there if he didn't like Detroit...

He was depressed when they got rid of brown.Thats not good.I just dont see him lasting to long anywhere really.He's a weird dude.