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Anhil8tor · 01-22-2008, 04:37 PM

Can you tell me if Hiliray or Obama will be the better president. According to history a republican stands no shot of winning this year and Ron Paul hasn't garnered enough support as an independent.

(flump if you come by this is your sort of thing)

BIRD33 · 01-22-2008, 04:52 PM

I like Obama.Electing Hillary is like electing Bill to a third term so I don't want to be apart of that since I think its shady.Nobody could possibly be worse than GWB.Obama is a guy who can bring the country together except the racists.

Don't count Mccain out.He beats Hillary head to head in the polls and is only down 5% when he goes up agaisnt Obama.The Limbaughs of the world will do everything they can to sink his chances because he's not a real conservative in their minds(even though GWB has destroyed what it means to be a conservative) but I think in the end they will sell their souls to win the election because they've got no principals(last south carolina primary GWB spread the word that Mccain had a black love child).

Vitamin E · 01-22-2008, 04:59 PM

8 is the new Bonky

Anhil8tor · 01-22-2008, 05:06 PM

Vitamin E Wrote:8 is the new Bonky

seriously I have no idea about any of these candidates. I don't vote in the primary so I don't do any looking up. I am a registered republican but unlike chef I don't vote solely on party lines.

If the dems put a monkey dressed up as a tiger on the dems ticket.. he'd vote for him and tell us how great his ideas are.

Vitamin E · 01-22-2008, 05:09 PM

Florida and Louisiana votes shouldn't be counted.

Tommy · 01-22-2008, 05:17 PM

Personally I don't see there being much difference between Hillary and Obama. I think that's why they're at each other's throats so bad. They're both minority candidates, both weak on immigration, both disagree with making GWB's tax cuts permanent, both in favor of universal healthcare as an absolute right, both have 0 foreign policy experience and wanna run from Iraq. Haven't done a tremendous amount or research into either one to be honest, so I don't know where they actually differ and to what degree.

Its gonna be between McCain and Romney for the GOP IMO. Huckabee's a fuckin tool and everyone sees it more and more everyday.

BIRD33 · 01-22-2008, 05:26 PM

Tommy Wrote:Personally I don't see there being much difference between Hillary and Obama. I think that's why they're at each other's throats so bad. They're both minority candidates, both weak on immigration, both disagree with making GWB's tax cuts permanent, both in favor of universal healthcare as an absolute right, both have 0 foreign policy experience and wanna run from Iraq. Haven't done a tremendous amount or research into either one to be honest, so I don't know where they actually differ and to what degree.

Its gonna be between McCain and Romney for the GOP IMO. Huckabee's a fuckin tool and everyone sees it more and more everyday.

Nothing wrong with any of that.You can try to phrase it as running from Iraq to make your position seem strong but in reality its not wanting to be nation builders which is the platform GWB ran on and you all voted for when he first got elected.Mcains position on immigration was actully more liberal than most democrats until the gop's paranoid base made him flip flop on it.If Romney is the guy he'll get slaughtered.If you can't get your core base (evangelicals) to vote for a guy because they think he's the antichrist you can't get elected.Huckabee might be a tool but get ready to see him as Mccains VP to sure up the dumb ass base of the gop.

Anhil8tor · 01-22-2008, 05:28 PM

everyone knows the anitchrist will come from the middle east not the US. He'll probably be Saudi...

BIRD33 · 01-22-2008, 05:31 PM

Anhil8tor Wrote:everyone knows the anitchrist will come from the middle east not the US. He'll probably be Saudi...

Maybe its that Bin Laden guy, he's a Saudi.Oh well no reason to worry about him even though its been almost 8 years since he killed 3000 people.

Tommy · 01-22-2008, 05:36 PM

BIRD33 Wrote:Nothing wrong with any of that.You can try to phrase it as running from Iraq to make your position seem strong but in reality its not wanting to be nation builders which is the platform GWB ran on and you all voted for when he first got elected.Mcains position on immigration was actully more liberal than most democrats until the gop's paranoid base made him flip flop on it.If Romney is the guy he'll get slaughtered.If you can't get your core base (evangelicals) to vote for a guy because they think he's the antichrist you can't get elected.Huckabee might be a tool but get ready to see him as Mccains VP to sure up the dumb ass base of the gop.

I didn't vote for bush. And I sure as shit don't wanna stay in Iraq, but we can't just bitch out. There has to be a phased pullout and a long term presence as far as I'm concerned. Not big on nation building either, but we went in there under false pretenses and fucked the hell out of the country. As much as the islmofacists hate us now they'd have a fucking field day if we just cut and run leaving the country in its present state.

This is gonna be one hell of a race. Things are just getting started.

BIRD33 · 01-22-2008, 05:47 PM

Tommy Wrote:I didn't vote for bush. And I sure as shit don't wanna stay in Iraq, but we can't just bitch out. There has to be a phased pullout and a long term presence as far as I'm concerned. Not big on nation building either, but we went in there under false pretenses and fucked the hell out of the country. As much as the islmofacists hate us now they'd have a fucking field day if we just cut and run leaving the country in its present state.

This is gonna be one hell of a race. Things are just getting started.

I agree we can't leave today but I don't want to stay there for 100 years like Mcain in proposing.We fucked the country up bad so what makes you think our presence will make things better?Cut and run and those type of phrases just keep people from looking at the situation objectivly because if you want out of Iraq you're a coward.We obviously after this Iraq situation arent the problem solvers of the world, if anything we have the greatest power to make things worse.If we leave and Irans influence spreads over Iraq(like anybody paying attention knew was going to happen) thats just the way it is.We arent rulers of the earth.Take that Billion dollars a month we spend in Iraq and sure up our borders, build a huge intelligence network and seek and destroy Bin Laden and his cronys.Our presence on the ground in the middle east does more to inspire new terrorists than anything.Bottom line if Iraq didnt have oil we wouldnt be there.

Tommy · 01-22-2008, 05:53 PM

maybe we should just pretend to leave for a while and see what happens.

BIRD33 · 01-22-2008, 05:56 PM

I propose undergound bases so we can't get blown up by any car bombers.We could start a new race of mole people, nobodys got any grudges against moles.

***leeman*** · 01-22-2008, 05:59 PM

BIRD33 Wrote:I propose undergound bases so we can't get blown up by any car bombers.We could start a new race of mole people, nobodys got any grudges against moles.

Ask the golfcourse owners .....

Tommy · 01-22-2008, 06:05 PM

what the fuck? First you wanna get the hell out of Iraq, then you wanna star building underground bases and starting a new race.

You can't have it both ways.

Flumper Barflusterbutt · 01-22-2008, 10:26 PM

Obama is a complete tool and has no chance. Hillary will fuck her own chances up given enough time to complete the task. Edwards isn't showing much, although I've always thought he was the dem's best chance.

This election should be a slam dunk for the democrats, but if it comes down to Obama or Hillary, don't count on it. I think people will be voting against one of them rather than voting for him/her.

McCain, I don't see making it happen. He's just too old. Guilliani hasn't done anything yet, so hard to measure him. But when you consider the field of republicans, no question McCain makes the most sense.

If this election comes down to an election based on the economy, then that is not typically good for democrats. Its going to be interesting.

01-22-2008, 10:30 PM

You think he's a toool personally? Or professionally?

Flumper Barflusterbutt · 01-22-2008, 10:42 PM

Banana Wrote:You think he's a toool personally? Or professionally?

Overall. He just has a good speaking voice with absolutely nothing to back it up.

BIRD33 · 01-22-2008, 11:54 PM

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Obama is a complete tool and has no chance. Hillary will fuck her own chances up given enough time to complete the task. Edwards isn't showing much, although I've always thought he was the dem's best chance.

This election should be a slam dunk for the democrats, but if it comes down to Obama or Hillary, don't count on it. I think people will be voting against one of them rather than voting for him/her.

McCain, I don't see making it happen. He's just too old. Guilliani hasn't done anything yet, so hard to measure him. But when you consider the field of republicans, no question McCain makes the most sense.

If this election comes down to an election based on the economy, then that is not typically good for democrats. Its going to be interesting.

Obama hasnt run any baseball teams into the ground or failed at any oil businesses so I can see how you think he's unqualified.

cLaY · 01-23-2008, 04:44 AM

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:Obama is a complete tool and has no chance. Hillary will fuck her own chances up given enough time to complete the task. Edwards isn't showing much, although I've always thought he was the dem's best chance.

This election should be a slam dunk for the democrats, but if it comes down to Obama or Hillary, don't count on it. I think people will be voting against one of them rather than voting for him/her.

McCain, I don't see making it happen. He's just too old. Guilliani hasn't done anything yet, so hard to measure him. But when you consider the field of republicans, no question McCain makes the most sense.

If this election comes down to an election based on the economy, then that is not typically good for democrats. Its going to be interesting.

Thanks Rush Limbaugh...you are the problem with this country.

8, when you have the time, sit down and watch this speech. Its inspiring what this man can do for our country. He might bring more hope to this country since the days of John and Bobby Kennedy.

The days of hillbilly-racists politics are over. Flumper Limbaugh is part of the "Fear Tactics" crowd, ala the present regime. Feel proud, Flumper. The man you back has completely fucked our nation.

Here you go 8. Enjoy.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNCLomrqIN8"]YouTube - Barack Obama 2004 Democratic National Convention Part 1[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56-m8wx1mwo"]YouTube - Barack Obama 2004 Democratic National Convention Part 2[/ame]

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