[pepsi]

Ok I was wondering what are everyones views on abortion? prochoice or prolife?

[Fairiedust]

Originally posted by pepsi@Oct 6 2004, 03:10 PM
Ok I was wondering what are everyones views on abortion? prochoice or prolife?

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Should not be a means of birthcontrol, depends on the situation (ie rape, mental stability and age of mother to be).

[pepsi]

Originally posted by Fairiedust@Oct 6 2004, 08:11 PM
Should not be a means of birthcontrol, depends on the situation (ie rape, mental stability and age of mother to be).

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I agree on what you say except for the age of the mother to be. The person knows the risks of what will happen when unprotected intercourse is performed. So with you stating the age of the mother wouldnt that be using abortion as a form of birthcontrol simply because of the person was to young and didnt bother having protected sex.

[Charon]

yes too many single mothers, just think if stem cell research is granted....
will women on welfare have abortions to get paid ?????
or will Drs. perform abortions for black market money ???
Let that fuck with your head next time it comes up in the news
How about Singapore opening the largest Biotec Lab in the world
who is going to stop them from cloning humans....the Chinese ?

[Charon]

[Pickle]

I personally would never have one, but I don't care if other girls do.

But I agree, it depends on the situation. I don't approve of little teenage girls running around getting abortions because they made a mistake. If you're old enough and mature enough to have sex, in your mind, then you're old enough to take full responsibility for the consequences.

I don't think abortion should be used at all as an option for people who just dont want a kid and accidentally got knocked up. We all know sex = babies. So they know its a risk/posibility. No one should be granted the ability to play god and choose who can live and who's denied the right to live just because they can't keep their legs closed.

On the other hand, when it's cases such as rape, or when the mother, child or both will die from the pregnancy/birth..then it's okay to me.

Even mental stability is iffy. If the person is so mentally unstable they wouldn't know how to go through the pregnancy properly, fine abort. But if they're just a wingnut who shouldn't ever have a child in their care once its out of the womb, thats what adoption is for.

[Bill]

your stance on this issue should be between you and your god...not you and your country.

[Charon]

Originally posted by Wyldbill@Oct 6 2004, 02:28 PM
your stance on this issue should be between you and your god...not you and your country.

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I like this guy !!!!

[Bill]

thanx....I'm American

[pepsi]

Originally posted by apple@Oct 6 2004, 08:26 PM
I personally would never have one, but I don't care if other girls do.

But I agree, it depends on the situation. I don't approve of little teenage girls running around getting abortions because they made a mistake. If you're old enough and mature enough to have sex, in your mind, then you're old enough to take full responsibility for the consequences.

I don't think abortion should be used at all as an option for people who just dont want a kid and accidentally got knocked up. We all know sex = babies. So they know its a risk/posibility. No one should be granted the ability to play god and choose who can live and who's denied the right to live just because they can't keep their legs closed.

On the other hand, when it's cases such as rape, or when the mother, child or both will die from the pregnancy/birth..then it's okay to me.

Even mental stability is iffy. If the person is so mentally unstable they wouldn't know how to go through the pregnancy properly, fine abort. But if they're just a wingnut who shouldn't ever have a child in their care once its out of the womb, thats what adoption is for.

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Some parts of your statements I agree with and disagree with. It might sound sick but I still believe a person that was raped should still go with the whole pregnancy thing. Just simply give the child up for adoption when its born. The mother will never have any encounters with the child so with the start of something wrong happening why not turn it into something right. I do believe though if the mothers life is in jeapardy while being pregnant then an abortion should be preform. In the future this person already knows having a child would put her life in danger so contraceptives should be used while having sex. If the person's mentality isnt stable and gets pregnant would abortion be considered as a contraceptive in that case? There are many different organizations to help out the mother to be in this situation. If the person is as you would say a "wingnut" the abortion still shouldnt be preformed just have the baby put for adoption.

[leucetios]

A good thing to do if you're raped and have the baby is to hit the fucker up for chlid support

[Pickle]

Makes sense. I just think in some cases of rape, going through a pregnancy that constantly reminds someone of the event might be too much for the person. So while it would be preferable that the person carry the baby to birth and give it up for adoption, I understand how it could be too much for some people and Im not about to make judgements on peoples decisions following something that traumatizing when I've never dealt with it myself.

As for the mental instability. Yes, thats what I said. I believe the person should carry it and give it up for adoption. But if the person is too mentally unstable to even properly know how to take care of herself during a pregnancy then it should be aborted. Not everyone can afford the help that would make it so the baby would pull through alright. And we all know it's hard enough for a child to get adopted without having defects and massive development problems. I guess Im thinking mentally unstable in a few different contexts. Slow, psychological problems. There are varrying degrees of it. And if the person truly doesn't really know what they're doing when they have sex, or doesnt understand how it equates to babies being born, then I don't think it counts as a contraceptive. But if the persons just fucked in the head but stil fully aware of everything, then they should have the child.

[Bill]

Originally posted by leucetios@Oct 6 2004, 03:44 PM
A good thing to do if you're raped and have the baby is to hit the fucker up for chlid support

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not as good as sueing my x-wife for breach of contract after we we divorced.....the cheating bitch..... :lol:

[pepsi]

Originally posted by leucetios@Oct 6 2004, 08:44 PM
A good thing to do if you're raped and have the baby is to hit the fucker up for chlid support

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If your raped wouldnt it be hard for the woman to find this person? I dont think the man would be stupid enough to be caught.

[leucetios]

Originally posted by pepsi@Oct 6 2004, 11:49 AM
If your raped wouldnt it be hard for the woman to find this person? I dont think the man would be stupid enough to be caught.

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So you're saying rapists never get caught?

[Bill]

yeah take all their shit...they won't need it prison

[leucetios]

if they ever get out and get a job they're paying though

I'm assumign things like 1. they bother to get a job when they're out and 2. they don't just bail and run away. Those details I ignored for the benefit of a chuckle at the thought of this asshole paying the majority of his money every month for the kid

It's not as funny anymore :fuck:

[pepsi]

Originally posted by apple@Oct 6 2004, 08:49 PM
Makes sense. I just think in some cases of rape, going through a pregnancy that constantly reminds someone of the event might be too much for the person. So while it would be preferable that the person carry the baby to birth and give it up for adoption, I understand how it could be too much for some people and Im not about to make judgements on peoples decisions following something that traumatizing when I've never dealt with it myself.

As for the mental instability. Yes, thats what I said. I believe the person should carry it and give it up for adoption. But if the person is too mentally unstable to even properly know how to take care of herself during a pregnancy then it should be aborted. Not everyone can afford the help that would make it so the baby would pull through alright. And we all know it's hard enough  for a child to get adopted without having defects and massive development problems. I guess Im thinking mentally unstable in a few different contexts. Slow, pshycological problems. There are varrying degrees of it. And if the person truly doesn't really know what they're doing when they have sex, or doesnt understand how it equates to babies being born, then I don't think it counts as a contraceptive. But if the persons just fucked in the head but stil fully aware of everything, then they should have the child.

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Ok for the rape issue I know its something tramatic and it would be hard for a person to go through the whole pregnancy thing most likely they would have an abortion. I still believe though from something wrong happening why not turn it into something right.
On the mentality issue of course if the person is mentally ill and doesnt know how a child is conceived or pretty much doesnt know anything thats going on then abortions should be preformed. You would think though that these kind of people would be under constant supervision or in a mental institution so this situation happening would be highly doubtful. You stated when a person isnt stable enough to even take care of herself during a pregnancy an abortion would be ok. Like i had said there are organizations that would help in that field and would do it probono meaning for free. So no money outve pocket is needed.

[pepsi]

Originally posted by leucetios@Oct 6 2004, 08:51 PM
So you're saying rapists never get caught?

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If they are stupid enough they will get caught.

[Pickle]

Originally posted by pepsi@Oct 6 2004, 02:01 PM
Ok for the rape issue I know its something tramatic and it would be hard for a person to go through the whole pregnancy thing most likely they would have an abortion. I still believe though from something wrong happening why not turn it into something right.
On the mentality issue of course if the person is mentally ill and doesnt know how a child is conceived or pretty much doesnt know anything thats going on then abortions should be preformed. You would think though that these kind of people would be under constant supervision or in a mental institution so this situation happening would be highly doubtful. You stated when a person isnt stable enough to even take care of herself during a pregnancy an abortion would be ok. Like i had said there are organizations that would help in that field and would do it probono meaning for free. So no money outve pocket is needed.

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I don't know I think it depends on the person. Should a 12 year old girl who was raped, then be forced to go through a pregnancy as well?? Stop her life, lose her friends, get behind in school all because some fucker wanted to get his jollies from her? I don't think so.

And while these people usually are under supervision, things still happen sometimes. I mean here we had a case where one of the homes for mentally ill and challenged people steralized all the people without consent. That caused a huge uproar. So apparently its okay for these people to have children if people fight when they're made so they can't. Granted if people can't even take care of themselves, they should be supervised at all times. But there are a lot of sickos out there who get their kicks out of convincing mentally challenged people to have sex with them. It happens. It shouldn't be allowed to, but it does.

And I realise that there are places that would do it probono as you said, but these places don't exist everywhere. Not everyone has access to these resources. Even then, you can only provide someone with so much guidance, you can't do everything for them. Granted MOST should carry the baby through to term, but in some cases I think abortion should be the option because some people just don't have access to those resources, and it'd be wrong to force a child to live a possibly very bad life, or very short life.