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I hate poor people
#1

I'm not accustomed to working with poor people that need a "bid" before they'll commit to paying me to draw plans. For fuck's sake, a bid is based on a plan.
wtf is it with poor people?
typically, this is the point where I just move on to the next waiting client and refuse any calls from the poor one, but I dunno, maybe I'll just draw a cheap-ass project and get paid? maybe it's a kinder, gentler me.
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#2

yeah, I'm in that fucked situation where a VIP client gave me a shitty referral. damn.
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#3

Spork said my watch band is cheap. This is devastating to me.
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#4

Raiden Wrote:I'm not accustomed to working with poor people that need a "bid" before they'll commit to paying me to draw plans. For fuck's sake, a bid is based on a plan.
wtf is it with poor people?
typically, this is the point where I just move on to the next waiting client and refuse any calls from the poor one, but I dunno, maybe I'll just draw a cheap-ass project and get paid? maybe it's a kinder, gentler me.
If someone calls me and asks if we give "free estimates", I hang up.
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#5

Flumper Barflusterbutt Wrote:If someone calls me and asks if we give "free estimates", I hang up.

yeah, I get it.

my MO is that I typically only deal with people who have lots of money and do what I say. I'm not quite sure how to deal with this lady.
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#6

Raiden Wrote:yeah, I get it.

my MO is that I typically only deal with people who have lots of money and do what I say. I'm not quite sure how to deal with this lady.

My MO is to use talented fucks like you to design everything, then hire the subs myself, since the pool contractor does not really do any work. :=p

I know what you're thinking now. You think we're all gay, don't you? Think we're all just a bunch of deviant lifestyle-living same-sex having motherfuckers, am I right?


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#7

Raiden Wrote:yeah, I get it.

my MO is that I typically only deal with people who have lots of money and do what I say. I'm not quite sure how to deal with this lady.


I see no reason why she shouldn't be called a filthy whore like the rest of us.
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#8

SanDog Wrote:My MO is to use talented fucks like you to design everything, then hire the subs myself, since the pool contractor does not really do any work. :=p

a sucessfull project always starts with a sound plan, but then who's checking out the subs' work? YOU (or some other non-pool person)?

hahahahahahahahaha

*edit: altho, I am happiest when I get to just sell plans and don't have to do shit else. I know that the MExicans are then changing shit on the job, but I don't give a fuck.
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#9

Blondie Wrote:I see no reason why she shouldn't be called a filthy whore like the rest of us.

you're confusing me with my SporK troll. stupid whore.
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#10

Raiden Wrote:you're confusing me with my SporK troll. stupid whore.


That's the fake spork.
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#11

Blueeyedwoman Wrote:That's the fake spork.

I'm on my 6th shot of Vodka now.

That's fucked up. I have work to do. But I also have calls to make and I don't like making calls.
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#12

Raiden Wrote:I'm not accustomed to working with poor people that need a "bid" before they'll commit to paying me to draw plans. For fuck's sake, a bid is based on a plan.
wtf is it with poor people?
typically, this is the point where I just move on to the next waiting client and refuse any calls from the poor one, but I dunno, maybe I'll just draw a cheap-ass project and get paid? maybe it's a kinder, gentler me.

It's clear you really don't know how the high profile/dollar projects work then.

This is a bad example but lets take for example the new WTC project.
The bid process was performed in guise of a "design competition".
As in most goverment projects, where provailing wage rules, there is a "cap" in place that the proposals must fall under. I'm not certain on the WTC but in most cases the architect combines forces with a contractor to provide a "design-build" package that is based on the drawings for that submission. If the design gets selected. you're in the $$$ if not, then you're out a bunch of $$$.

As for pool design, I'm sure most folks would be happy with a square foot number based on some sort of "standard".
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#13

Raiden Wrote:wtf is it with poor people?


we dont have much money

prolly
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#14

Shenanigans Wrote:It's clear you really don't know how the high profile/dollar projects work then.

This is a bad example but lets take for example the new WTC project.
The bid process was performed in guise of a "design competition".
As in most goverment projects, where provailing wage rules, there is a "cap" in place that the proposals must fall under. I'm not certain on the WTC but in most cases the architect combines forces with a contractor to provide a "design-build" package that is based on the drawings for that submission. If the design gets selected. you're in the $$$ if not, then you're out a bunch of $$$.

As for pool design, I'm sure most folks would be happy with a square foot number based on some sort of "standard".

this is hilarious. you're telling me that I don't know how high profile/dollar projects work, then you're proceeding to eat your own feces by stating that most folks want a sq. ft. number. hahahahahaha

1. I'm not talking about the WTC here, I'm talking about backyard water features (pools, fountains, etc.)
2. I don't work for "most people". In fact, "most people" is exactly who I won't work for.
3. a sq. ft. number? did you really say that? like you want to know a pool costs $X per sq. ft.? hahahahahahaha

you don't know anything about architecture or construction, do you?

do you think a 400 sq. ft. pool built into a 2:1 slope costs the same as a 400 sq. ft. pool on flat ground? how about if we want to raise the same 400 sq. ft. pool 12" above grade? how about if we're in a bitch-ass community that is so reminiscent of Nazi Germany that it costs about $3K more to build any pool there?
with your attitude, you could do well working for Blue Haven Pools with their shit-by-numbers building mentality.
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#15

SizeMatters Wrote:we dont have much money

neither do I, brah.
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#16

Bid work is for big boy projects not kiddie pools.

See You In Toledo
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#17

BIRD33 Wrote:Bid work is for big boy projects not kiddie pools.

not really. bid work is for gubamint cheese projects and poor person projects. (key word: projects)

being told, "just draw what you think is best and let me know what it'll cost to build" is for big boys.
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#18

Raiden Wrote:not really. bid work is for gubamint cheese projects and poor person projects.

being told, "just draw what you think is best and let me know what it'll cost to build" is for big boys.

120 million dollar university hospital jobs > Swimming pool shaped like a heart

See You In Toledo
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Raiden Wrote:this is hilarious. you're telling me that I don't know how high profile/dollar projects work, then you're proceeding to eat your own feces by stating that most folks want a sq. ft. number. hahahahahaha

1. I'm not talking about the WTC here, I'm talking about backyard water features (pools, fountains, etc.)
2. I don't work for "most people". In fact, "most people" is exactly who I won't work for.
3. a sq. ft. number? did you really say that? like you want to know a pool costs $X per sq. ft.? hahahahahahaha

you don't know anything about architecture or construction, do you?

do you think a 400 sq. ft. pool built into a 2:1 slope costs the same as a 400 sq. ft. pool on flat ground? how about if we want to raise the same 400 sq. ft. pool 12" above grade? how about if we're in a bitch-ass community that is so reminiscent of Nazi Germany that it costs about $3K more to build any pool there?
with your attitude, you could do well working for Blue Haven Pools with their shit-by-numbers building mentality.


I like the way I explain the bid process to you for large projects and you zero in on pool construction. I admit I don't know much about pools. but it's not my job to know everything there is to know about them. You're the sub, that's your job, your one single thing to know well. I hope you do it well. Me? I'll continue knowing alittle about all the trades and reminding folks like you how to do their job and keep things within budget.

Talk to me about this stuff after you've designed a pool worth 30 million.
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#20

BIRD33 Wrote:Bid work is for big boy projects not kiddie pools.

understands 110%.
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