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heading into the all star break
#61

Phils have a 4.45 era. Only team to win the world series with an era that high was the Cardinals whos pitchers pulled there heads out of there asses. I dont see this with the Hamels, Happ, Moyer combo

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#62

BIRD33 Wrote:Don't you get this is the best phillies team in 25 years and approaching the all time greatest status?None of their top 8 players will still be at their peak in the 3-4 years it takes for Drabek to be a actual factor.Even thats a crap shoot.Remember how good duckworth or whoever was supposed to be a few years back?They don't have a real good chance of winning a world series after the core of the team is gone in 4 or 5 years so what are we saving up for?They have a chance to lock down a back to back world series by getting halliday.Do you get how you can't think 5 years from now when you have chances like this?

Happ hasnt beaten a winning team this year.
some franchises want to be contenders every year, that sometimes means not giving up a generation's worth of talent for one player.

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#63

WoolyGoat Wrote:some franchises want to be contenders every year, that sometimes means not giving up a generation's worth of talent for one player.


So ironic coming from a fan of one of the two teams that ruined baseball with its ridiculous payroll.

If you have a three year window you do whatever you can to make the most of it.

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#64

Boy those cardinals are tough.

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#65

BIRD33 Wrote:So ironic coming from a fan of one of the two teams that ruined baseball with its ridiculous payroll.

If you have a three year window you do whatever you can to make the most of it.
1- your ignorance is showing, again.

2- how'd that work out for the Vikings/Cowboys in the Herschel Walker trade?

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#66

WoolyGoat Wrote:1- your ignorance is showing, again.

2- how'd that work out for the Vikings/Cowboys in the Herschel Walker trade?

Really?Were the Vikings coming off a championship?I must have blacked that one out.Other then that its totally the same thing!

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#67

why do you think "coming off a championship" matters? IT'S NOT 2008 ANYMORE! If anything at all, it's a reason for the Phillies to NOT make a move. They have a championship already, why give away the future?

the Vikings thought they were one piece away, so they traded a TON, didn't win, AND loaded up the Cowboys for a decade.

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#68

My argument is so sound I'm not sure how it needs repeating.Draybeck will not be ready for at least 3 years and he's no guaranteed all star.Halliday is a stud already.Do you add a stud now to your roster to lock up a world series or do you hold onto a guy who might be good in 3 years so he can play with your fading cast of used to be all stars?Its a no-brainer.The future is now thats why you stupid fuck.

I talked to a guy who saw Draybeck pitch and when he gives up a home run he throws his glove and stomps around the mound like a spoiled baby.

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#69

sounds like Tiger Woods, that guy sucks.


I also wasn't aware the Jays are trading Halladay for just one prospect.


The Sox stayed away from a Johan Santana trade because the Twins wanted something like Pedroia, Lester, Ellsbury, and Buchholz. Sometimes it's just the right thing to do.

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#70

and for the record I think the Phillies should try and get Halladay, I just don't think emptying out the farm system in doing so is the right thing to do.

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WoolyGoat Wrote:sounds like Tiger Woods, that guy sucks.


I also wasn't aware the Jays are trading Halladay for just one prospect.


The Sox stayed away from a Johan Santana trade because the Twins wanted something like Pedroia, Lester, Ellsbury, and Buchholz. Sometimes it's just the right thing to do.


It also sounds like Ryan Leaf.

draybeck is the guy the phil's don't want to part with.

How many of the guys you named in the Santana trade were prospects and not already a contributing member of the team?

The phils have a historically good farm system.There will be other prospects after these guys.

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#72

At the time, Ellsbury and Buchholz were still prospects. Pedroia was in the middle of his rookie season, and I believe Lester was in some stage of his lymphoma comeback. That would have been pre-2007 or trading deadline 2007, if I remember the years right.

Since then, the Sox have a world series, and those players have an mvp, a rookie of the year, 2 no-hitters, and back to back 50 steal seasons. Perhaps more importantly, they signed pedroia and lester to VERY club friendly contracts, which has actually allowed them to cut some payroll.

For the first time in a LONG time, the Sox roster is stocked with their own farm guys, as opposed to mostly being highly paid mercenaries.

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#73

looks like the phillies may consider lee now. they sent scouts to see his next start.
the jays have contacted boston,the dodgers,rangers,angels and tampa. no one wants to pay the asking price.
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#74

tp paraphrase mr. BIRD33, Beckett/Halladay/Lester would pretty much clinch the world series.


really really tough to pull off a blockbuster trade within the same division, though.

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#75

Lee is the consolation prize.Halliday would lock it down.WE have the best hitting in the league.


Next up on the victory parade, Arizona.A complete drubbing last night.Worst fielding team I've ever seen in the majors.

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#76

I take so much pleasure in seeing the Mets as dysfunctional as they are right now.So much for Minaya being a genius.He tried to throw that reporter under the bus and made everything worse since the reporter in fact had nothing to do with a Mets employee trying to fight minor leaguers or almost brawling with one of their closers.Its nonsensical and beyond petty to try to bring the reporter into it when all you had to do was say we fired the guy, lets move on.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseba..._mets.html

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#77

BIRD33 Wrote:Lee is the consolation prize.Halliday would lock it down.WE have the best hitting in the league.


Next up on the victory parade, Arizona.A complete drubbing last night.Worst fielding team I've ever seen in the majors.

leadoff man hitting 230??
i don't think so
if the phils win the series, i will crawl to philly and kiss tweety's ass after i eat his shit-stained boxers

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#78

Do you think he'll still be at .230 by seasons end?Not a chance.He entered July at .205 and now he's at .236.If you've watched a Phillies game you'd know he's on fire right now and his average is going nowhere but up.

thank god the mets solved their closer problem.

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#79

phillies win 80% of the gmaes that when rollins scores a run
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#80

yeah, he may be a t 250 at the end of the year!!!!!!!!

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